tv The Ed Show MSNBC March 19, 2012 8:00pm-9:00pm EDT
the "the ed show" starts right now. good evening and welcome to the "the ed show" from new york. the killing of trayvon martin by a neighborhood watchman is shaking america to its very core. the fallout from this tragic i vent is far from over. this is "the ed show" let's get to work. >> we've had some break ins in my neighborhood and there's a suspicious guy. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> dwoents need you to do that. >> almost three weeks after his death the trayvon marvin 911 tapes are out. >> did you see what haefs wearing? >> dark hoodie. >> the fact the killer has been arrested defies justice. >> that was my baby and he was pleading for his life. i don't understand how that is self-defense. >> tonight, every angle of the trayvon martin case with new york time's columnist, charles blow and al sharpton.
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he had gone to a store during halftime of the nba all-star game. he was walking back when george zimmerman spotted him. he was sitting inside his suv and called 911. >> we've had some break ins and there's a real suspicious guy. this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. it's raining and he's walking around looking about. >> is he white, black or hispanic? >> he looks black. >> did you see what he was wearing? >> dark hoodie like a gray hoodie and he had jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. he's just staring. >> he's just walking around the area. >> now he is just staring at me. >> zimmerman was sitting in his suv as the call continued.
he then spent the next 30 seconds calmly giving directions to police on how to enter the gated community and then this happened. >> straight in, turn in and make a left. he's running. >> which way is he running? >> least down toward the entrance of the neighborhood. >> okay. which entrance is that that he's headed toward? >> the back entrance. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay. we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> the dispatcher says don't follow him and zimmerman says okay, but he followed him any way. there were half a dozen other 911 calls that night from neighbors. many of them saying they heard screams for help followed by a
shot. this is one of those calls. >> so you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> all right. what is your -- >> there's gunshots. >> someone is screaming. i just heard gunshots. >> there's a black guy down. he's shot and he's dead. >> trayvon martin died. police did not arrest george zimmerman saying they didn't have probable cause by zimmerman claimed self-defense. florida has a lenient self-defense law and we'll get to that later. since january of last year george zimmerman has called police 46 times. back in 2005 he was charged with resisting arrest and batter of a police officer. neighbors said zimmerman was fix saited on crime and focused on young black males. his father says race was not an issue. george zimmerman 28 years old and weighed 250 pounds. trayvon martin was 17 and weighed 140 pounds. he has no criminal record
whatsoever. his mother says she thinks her son was the one who felt threatened. >> he didn't know who this guy was. he seen him as a stranger. he was trying to just get away from the situation. >> this is what she thought george zimmer man was reacting to. >> he was reacting to the color of his skin. my son was doesn't anything but walking on the sidewalk. >> his father was on al sharpton's show just hours ago. >> the family is calling for justice. we don't want our son to be -- we don't want our son's death to be in vain. to call mr. zimmerman the victim is a slap in the face to me and my family. it's a slap in the face to our community. >> police are referred the case to the state attorney's office. the state attorney is reportedly considering a charge of
manslaughter but a decision could take weeks. the congressional black caucus has called on the united states justice department to investigate this as a hate crime. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, if the shooter was black and the victim was white, would there have been an arrest? is text a for yes. text b for no. you can leave a comment. we'll bring the results later on in the show. i'm joined by charles blow, columnist for the new york times. very compelling article and work you've done. you talk about your two sons in your article. as a parent myself, it's absolutely gut wrenching to see this story unfold. what is the most startling piece of informs that you've come across in investigating this story? >> what strikes me as a parent is this way in which this family has been treated by the police.
what we don't know is what the investigation of police entails. we don't know all of the facts. we only know what's been leased. we know the 911 tapes which are horrifying to listen to. i talked to trayvon's mother today and i want to make sure she -- i asked are you absolutely sure as a mother, that is the voice of your son? she said i'm absolutely sure of that. i can tell you as parent, even if my child was screaming on the mall the day barack obama was inaugurated, i'd be able to pick him out. there's something that's built into parent to pick out your child when they are screaming. what has really troubled me and the questions that really arise from this case are how the investigation may or may not have been unfolded with respect to this family. for instance, the fact that the father, by all accounts the child left the house on his cell
phone, we don't know if he had it with him. he had his cell phone on him. after he was killed, according to the attorney, he was taken to the medical examiner's office and he was held there for three days. now, i don't know if that includes the day he was shot or not. the family attorney says three days. the child has a cell phone on limb. the father is calling the cell phone to see where his son is. he calls missing persons after he doesn't get call. i'm trying to figure out, are you telling me that the police did not answer that phone when the father is calling that phone. are you telling me the police did not pick up that phone and call the last number that that child had dialed before he was killed, which according to witnesses was his cousin? >> does it look to you, mr. blow, there might have been somebody covering up for mr. zimmerman here. >> i don't know that, but
either -- i need to know -- there are a lot of questions i need to know the answers to the questions from the police. when you took zimmerman in for questioning, what was the nature of the forensic recovery of evidence. where his hands swabbed so we'll be able to know whether one shot was fired or two. >> why wasn't mr. zimmerman drug tested? why didn't they do a breathalyzer or any kind of test on him at all? >> i don't know that that is the case. if it's not the case, that's a very important part of this investigation. >> the audio tape there or the 911 call, doesn't sound like he has all his faculties. >> that may be the case. the national crime prevention council, that's the group that sets out the guidelines for how you run a neighborhood watch. one of the guidelines is you are not supposed to be armed.
how is it that this guy gets out of a vehicle armed and that is okay in the investigation. >> what does it tell you about these 911 calls that he's made since january 1st of 2011, some 46 calls. >> he may be aggressive and suspiciissuesuspicious of every. that is a bit separate from this case. that's what you're supposed to do. watch and report. you're not supposed to engage. even people who are saying that florida law's, the stand your ground law, insulates zimmerman in this case, i cannot see how that's true. i'm not a legal expert. that law has three separate parts. one is if someone enters your car, dwelling or home. zimmerman was in his car. if he stayed in that car -- >> he left his vehicle and went after the kid.
>> exactly. >> as if he was hunting that night. we're going to have you back. this story isn't going to go away any time soon. there has to be justice here. i appreciate your work and time. let's turn to reverend al sharpton. no arrest. what do you make of it? >> absolutely horrific. we can all have different opinions. we can't have different facts. fact, this young man was unarmed. fact, he was not engaging any any criminal behavior. fact, he had every right to be there in that gated community. he was there with a resident visiting a resident. how is he killed and police decide that they're the judge and jury and let zimmerman go. zimmerman was told not to follow him. he followed him any way high pressure he ends up killing him. that is probable cause to make an arrest. it's up later to grand jury and a prosecutor presenting the case in front of a judge and jury whether he's convicted.
to not arrest him, to let the young man lay there three days dead shows real, real concern about how the police handled this matter and it's something that warrants national attention, which is why we're going to florida to rally for this family. >> where does this story go? >> i think the justice department will have to come in. i think there's going to be pressure. we're having a national rally there thursday night. our group and other civil rights groups are coming in. you are really saying to us, that a civilian, not even a policeman and i've fought many police case, a civilian has the right to use deadly force based on their perceived threat of somebody that's not coming after them, that is not doing anything illegal and the only thing he had was a bag of candy. >> the dispatcher saying don't follow him. what kind of authority does a
dispatcher have? is that just a suggestion or an order? >> one can debate how much authority the debate has, but you can't debate that the neighborhood watchman had no authority to follow him. if you walk over to me, i don't know who you are, you don't have the right to tell me to freeze, question me or anything. >> i want to know who the officers were first on the thing. you have to get down to who interviewed him right when they got there. how do we get tot that point? how do you unfold this? >> i think we get if the justice department review and the state attorney review. i think you have to know who the superior was that these officers were came to the scene reported to and who decided to let zimmerman go based on his saying, it was self-defense when there was no evidence of anything that he would be defending himself from. defending himself from what?
>> about the cell phone not being followed up by police. >> who made that decision? who decided not follow up the phone call? these decisions all stink but we can all have theory, the facts are there was no threat that one can see and if there was a threat, what could it have been when this young man was unarmed. >> does this go to the tovp to eric older in your opinion? >> i think it can go there unless the state attorney in florida does what is proper here and that is bring case and let us have hearing in front of a jury and let the facts be weighed based on the evidence that is presented to a jury, not based in some police station where they decide to become the judge and jury. >> on thursday, you're going to be down in sanford, florida. >> thursday we're joining the family and attorney who is on my show tonight with the father. we're having a national rally and michael baisden to call for
justice for this family. >> thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen and share your thoughts on twitter. we want to know what you think. up next, will the case against george zimmerman be dismissed. dan gross of the brady campaign tells me whether the florida law gives citizens the right to commit murder. a major announcement in wisconsin in the recall election. madison firefighter will join me with be big news. you're watching "the ed show." stay with us. a living, breathing intelligence teaching data how to do more for business. [ beeping ] in here, data knows what to do. because the network finds it and tailors it across all the right points, automating all the right actions... [ beeping ] ...to bring all the right results. it's the at&t network -- doing more with data
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to retreat if he or she reasonable bli believes that such force is necessary to preve prevent eminent death or great bodily hard. in ed speak, that woultd be you can play judge, jury and executioner if you want to and skirt the law. in the five months after this law was passed there were 13 shootings in central florida where self-defense was claimed. six men were killed, four were wounded. only one was armed. law enforcement officials overwhelmingly opposed the law but the national rifle association helped get it passed. former nra president is identified as the primary lobbyist behind the stand your ground bill in florida. florida law enforcement virtually has its hands died when it comes to prosecuting the cases. a spokesman told the new york time t if we arrest, we open
ourselves to a lawsuit. joining us tonight is dan gross, president of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence. good to have you with us tonight. did this law set the table for george zimmerman to go hunting for trayvon martin? >> i think that's exactly what it did. it's a bad law if it lets murders walk away uncharged. as bad as it is a law, it's just as dangerous as a state of mind and it's a state of mind that permits things like this, encourages things like this to happen. when you combine that state of mind with florida's incredibly weak gun laws in general, it's a recipe for tragedies like this to happen. >> you've said in this case that the nra -- this is the nra's vision for america. what did you mean by that? >> that's exactly what it means.
it's utopia is place where anybody can get a gun and carry it virtually anywhere. this is and what we're seeing in florida, tragedies like there are the manifestation of what happens in the nra's utopia. it's two different vision offense america. there's the vision that the people have that want to protect themselves and live in safety and there's the vision of the gun lobby representing an industry that wants to make carrying guns more permissible and envisions a society where people like zimmerman are walking around with guns. >> what in florida took place that led to the passing of the stand your ground law or is this just some stuff coming from gun enthuse yiss that think they have to protect themselves or give them license to do something like this? >> it's lobbying.
it's out shouted the will and even more importantly undermine the state of the of the american people. >> so we're not a series of news events that brought it to the point this law has to be implemented? were there people that campaigned on this? >> i'm sure there were. i would imagine if it was the nra up to their usual tricks, they misrepresented some news events to get people all stirred up under this misguided notion of self-defense. >> you're clearly putting this at the doorstep of the nra? >> clearly. >> the director of the florida coalition to stop gun violence said i predict this case is not going to be charged. it's going to be dismissed. almost every case between two individuals where one was armed and the other is not is dismissed. do you think his prediction will be correct? >> i'm not in the business of making predicks but ultimately the will and safety of the
people have to come to bear to hold our elected leaders to hold accountable that undermieng the safety of the people they have been elected for. >> from the facts of what has been reported, what hits you about this story? what do you say to the family? i know you've been through a personal tragedy yourself. >> i have. >> what do you say to the family at this hour? >> i've been through a personal tragedy where the imagine bought his gun in florida because of their weak gun laws. i can uniquely empathize with what they are going through. nothing can describe the horror of losing a child and our heart goes out to this family for what they're going through. we can say while we're all incredibly heartbroken over what's happened, we're not surprised because florida has create add climate where these things happen. we have to do something about it. if we're going to make some good come of this extraordinary
tragedy, we shouldn't just look at all the dynamics that we've been talking about so far. we also have to look at how people like this get guns. the guy had been arrested before and he has a license to carry a concealed weapon. it's just insanity. i think that what we need to do as the american people is we need to take incidents like this to strengthen our resolve to prevent more tragedies like what happened to my brother, like what happened to trayvon from happening to others. >> i thinkst up to us in the media to make sure social justice is done here. i'm remiss we're getting to the story late. it happened on february 26th. i'm sure there's other stories that have taken place all over the country. this is one that's so gross in its nature. a terrible injustice has been done. i think justice has to be done. >> part of that justice is asking how they get the gun. >> good to have you with us tonight. another member of the gop calls out republicans for waging
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campaigns hinted that if republicans don't stop targeting women, they risk handing the selection over to the democrats. >> do you think there's war on woman among republicans? >> i think we have to fix that. i think there's perception out there because of the way this whole contraception issue played out. we need to get off of that issue, in my view. we ought to respect the right of women to make choices in their lives and make that clear and get back onto what the american people really care about, jobs and the economy. >> republican state legislatures must not be getting the memo. lawmakers in tennessee are considering a measure that would require the department of health to public the names of abortion providers on its website. it would require the patient's background data to be published posting deat a times such as age, race, marital status and the number of prior abortions. data could be broken down by county putting women in rural communities at the risk op being
unintentionally identified. gary odem is worried the build would encourage violence. it's a dangerous piece of legislation and serves no purpose other than trying to intimidate women and physicians. i'm joined by bill burton, former white house deputy under president obama. great to have you with us. tonight. joan, you first. now the republicans are going after privacy. is this a new war on privacy in what do you make of this? this is happening at state levels as if there's this concerted effort to go after women across america. >> we have all these person hood amendments which the to gop candidates for president have signed onto that would outlaw certain forms of birth control. i hear this whining from the
right. rick santorum today, accused our friend joe scarborough of making too much of the contraception issue. it's people that are making too much of the contraception issue. they are the one who is have made this an issue from the very beginning. i have to say something about senator john mccain because i know all of us in the mainstream love to talk about what a statesman he is and it's great he spoke out. he voted for the blunt amendment several weeks ago that would have made it possible for employers to not cover any medical care that they disapproved of. what hypocrisy to say i'm the man standing up on the war against women but you have that vote in your back pocket. it's really disturbing. >> bill, last week, lisa spoke out against the gop's car on women after she too voted for
the blunt amendment. what are we seeing? is this damage control,000 that you've seen two prominent senators come out and say wea'v got to fix this. >> the fact that they are starting to see that the politics for this are so bad, it's surprising that more republicans aren't seeing it faster. >> why aren't we hearing more from santorum and mitt romney and newt gingrich? >> thing they are different from where the american people are on mainstream issues like contraception and where they think this country ought to go. there's a huge choice in this election. when people take a look at the records and the visions that santorum and romney have for this country, it's going to be frightening. >> here is john mccain on the bill that would force women to talk to their boss about birth control. >> in your state of arizona there's this contraception that
the governor has said would put women in uncomfortable position that they have to say to their employers why they wanted contraception and why it should be covered. is that a bad road? >> i'm confident that legislation will not reach the governor's desk and it would be vetoed. >> it's the wrong legislation? >> it doesn't reflect the view of the people of arizona. >> your response to that? that's the cop out. they should never be introduced. >> he should have spoken out. maybe he did. i'm not aware he did. he could have spoke out about this crazy wave of legislation a long time ago. they go along with it when they want the appease their ultra crazy base and when it starts to hurt them in a more general election then they start to have second thoughts and they start to speak up. this is already past the house. thst a far right constituency for it in his own state of
arizona. what happened to republicans being people believing in liberty and the right to privacy. those days are gone. >> what does this signal in this election cycle? is this a big winner for the democrats and president obama? >> absolutely. what it signal s that mitt romney, even though he gets attacked every day for being too moderate goes in as one of the most conservative nominees the republican party have put forward and on issues you would have never seen come forward like contraception. i think the signal here is that the party is move. they should be talking about on the campaign trail. >> is there any rectifying that would be done by the republicans or have they been damaged so bad through this already that they can't turn back? >> i think they have done a lot of long lasting damage. they will have hundreds of millions of dollars to try to
fix their record and whitewash it. >> how much should president obama play this up? >> i don't think he needs to play it up in a political sense. he just needs to do what he's been doing. this contraception coverage mandate is a wonderful thing for women. it's a wonderful health reform. he did it for the right reasons. i think that he's playing it exactly right as in he's doing the right thing for the right reasons. they happen to be great things politically. every time i hear a republican act like president obama tricked them into this. it's quite prepos te rous because they walked into there mess with their eyes open. they have been happy to be behind the ultrasounds and making contraception in some places illegal. they are down with it, and they need to live with it. >> thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it so much. a brand new democratic challenger is throwing his hat into the ring in wisconsin. we'll have the exclusive announcement, next. mitt romney is pumping out
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never run for office to step forward. today the president of the professional firefighters of wisconsin announced he's running for the democratic nomination to challenge walker as lieutenant governor. i know this is basic decision for you. you've been weighing it for some time. why are you going to do this? what has motivated you to take this step to try to go to public service and be the lieutenant governor? >> well, first of all thanks for having me on. the reason i decided to throw my hat in the ring was because i can sit around and give rally speeches as much as i want. i can protest as much as i want and have my bag pipers follow me all day long but at tend of the day real change happens when we work from the inside out. i couldn't keep throwing rocks without being part of the solution. i didn't want to be part of the problem. i wanted to come in and respand. just like we did last year, firefighters respond.
i'm a lieutenant here. i look at lieutenant governor as a level of service. we got to win this thing and do what's right. >> they're already going after you. republicans are going after you in a sense that a spokesman for the republican party in wisconsin called you a hand picked union candidate who's only objective is to score political points. what's your response? >> well, first of all, i don't need political points. like a lot of people say, i'm not a career politician. i really mean that. i didn't move to the city of madison to become a politician. i moved here to become a firefighter. i didn't see myself sitting here talking about running if lieutenant governor. to sit back on the sideline and see what's happening and not be involved. that's not what we do as firefighters and first responders. we're responding to an enermergy now and we're going to keep doing it. >> what about the money?
you know what the pacs are doing as they are showering the state and it's going to be hard for the democrats who runs against this wave of money. what do you make of it? >> we'll never get as much money as walker or lieutenant governor clayfish. we have the people behind us. you saw last year, we have the people behind us. this is a movement that cannot be stopped. this is not about money. it's about working for the people. we need to work to get jobs in the state. i hate to curse and my campaign staff will say you shouldn't curse, ed, revolution is not always pg. we got to work like heck to get our jobs back. we have education problems. we're taking over $1.6 billion for education. they say education is important. we have cuts in college systems. i'm prouded to be a union member. i will continue that message and go around the state and talk about measures that scott walker has done to our state.
>> something is happening out there. we're seeing wave of things happenin happening. i know there's a lot of bubbling out there about people getting engaged that have never been engaged before. let me ask you the question, what if the democrats aren't successful. what does that say to the rest of country, if anything? >> i think it will have grand ramification against our fight. at tend of the day, the people have spoken. i can tell you i go all around this state and i talk to all kinds of people. i hate to air our dirty lawn di but we had 39.6% of union members vote for scott walker. that's sad. that's a problem that we have as union leaders and a problem we have as citizens in our state. we have to get back to educating
our members about the issue. we have to mobilize and galvanize our members and educate them on issues that directly affect their pocketbook. i'm going to take this message all across the state. if you want to come to be part of this fight, go to mahlonmitchell.com. we're working for middle class citizens. >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for jumping in the fight. appreciate it. before there was lin-sanity. there was tebow mania. what will happen to tim tebow with paytonmanning joining the broncos. stay tuned.
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it proves that conservative voters chose mitt romney over rick santorum, the guy that told them to go learn english. finally he delivered this whopper. >> the president needs to be more engaged and interacting with our commanders but with leadership in afghanistan. >> would you accelerate the withdrawal? >> the timing of withdrawal will be dependent upon the conditions on the ground. >> are you taking a stance while much of your party is sourisour?
>> he has failed leerdship but he doesn't have enough information to come up with an alternative policy. we have been in afghanistan for more than ten years, billions of dollars weekly spent. mitt romney has been running for president, how long, six years. how can he not know enough to take a stand. let's turn to our democratic strategist. those are three examples right there. how does this play? >> he doesn't take a stand until he consults his political advantage. that's what happened on the afghanistan question. he knows where the public is and he knows where the forces are in his party are. the statement about the president wanting higher gas prices is an outright law. the fact checkers have called it that. romney doesn't care if his hair is on fire. the fact is what's happened to gas prices is rising international powers like china and india are upping their demand. finally, this is the thing the republicans can't deal with. the president has opened up more domestic reserves to drilling than were ever opened up under
president bush. we'reless dedependent on foreign oil than we were a few years ago. the other economic forces are pushing the prices up. >> the republicans are developing this narrative that it's all president obama's fault. how they fight it back and do you think it's hurting him in the polls? >> i think the republicans look absurd on a lot of stuff. he began the statement by saying earlier president ought fire his advisors. romney wants to fire efb. it's the way he made his money. i don't think it has a lot of bite to it. today he went further and he said that president obama has outlawed thomas edison's lightbulb. first of all the lightbulb efficiency situation was signed by president bush and it doesn't outlaw the bulb, it just sets better energy standards for it. it just makes stuff up. >> he's making up the fact that
he thinks the latino vote will go to the republicans. >> he's getting one out of six latino votes. it's hard for republican to get elected president without getting about 40% of the latino vote. bush got 44%. i painfully remember that. you're not going to get the latino vote when they talk the way they do about immigration, immigrants and hispanics. it's not going to happen. they're the anti-hispanic party in this country. >> what about tomorrow night? romney is up by 15. if he wins that is that somewhat of a turning point? he would have won michigan, illinois and ohio. it's a big part of the country. >> he's going to win tomorrow night by a substantial margin. he will win because republicans are resigning against him. he's running up against a hot air balloon against newt gingrich who isn't on the